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exile27 · Agent Joined: 09 May 2008 Posts: 340 Location: Nor-Cal

So everyone likes to share what their favorite weapons are, and often times what types of good experiences they've had with said weapon. But what about the other side of the coin?

What weapons have you fired that you absolutely hated? Maybe it constantly broke or jammed on you. Or maybe you just didn't like the feel of the weapon. Hell, even poor customer servive could have put a bad taste in your mouth for a particular weapon.

What ever your reasons, post 'em up. What weapons do you not like, and why?

S.T.A.R.S. Armourer · Armed and Hammered Joined: 20 Aug 2005 Posts: 7531

1) Egyptian SAFN-49.

Fabrique Nationale invented the FN-49, the FAL's dad basically, during WW2. After the war, in the 50's, Egypt had 6000 delivered, chambered in 8mm Mauser.

Fantastic, well made rifle. It's basically an SKS on steroids. Good old Belgian machining, pretty bluing, and a good solid wood stock.

The original design had a small stop within the bolt to limit the forward travel of the firing pin. As anyone who shoots semi autos knows, that firing pin packs some momentum. It often or always dimples primers.

Frigged if I know why, but the Egyptians in their infinite wisdom had that firing pin stop taken out of their design. Who knows, with mil spec ammo and hard primers maybe it never was a problem. It's not like they shot it much in combat running away from the Israelis in the Six Day War, so I doubt they could tell us.

I can tell you that with civvy ammo it's a very bad idea indeed. Mine developed a habit of firing 6 rounds at a go when someone pulled the trigger.

A lot of people who were less in the know thought that could be a really cool thing and I should leave it be. First off, it's illegal and secondly (and more importantly) I don't wanna be anywhere around that thing when it finally has an Out Of Battery. At best you bring home a large rifle in a small box. At worst you get a 50,000 PSI hot brass and steel costmetic facelift.

Tore it down for scrap.

Those built for other countries chambered in 7x57 Mauser or 30-06 Springfield are fantastic rifles and I highly recommnd them.

2) My beloved Buffalo Classic.

Another outstanding rifle. Everyone knows the old H&R and NEF single shot breech loading shotguns. This is essentially the same frame mounted with a rifle barrel like a Handi Rifle but with a more classic styling.

Chambered in 45/70 with a 32" pipe and a globe target sight, nicely grained stock, and the crispest trigger pull. It's 2" accurate at 100 meters and I've got it throwing 350 grain .458 caliber rounds at nearly 2000 fps.

I think H&R and NEF fall under the Marlin banner though, and Marlin has been having some quality control issues lately. Maybe thats what the big buy out by Remington is gonna be about. I dunno.

Either way, the rear sight mounting holes were drilled and tapped off center. The rearmost hole is good, the one to the front is decidedly to the left of true.

It's enough to give the rear sight a slight cant, and have it shooting to the left even with the rear sight drifted all the way to the right.

It's easily fixed with a front sight pusher drifting the front sight to the left, but still...Its a new gun, ya know?
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exile27 · Agent Joined: 09 May 2008 Posts: 340 Location: Nor-Cal

Damn, that's nuts about the FN-49. Seriously, what benifit would removing the firing pin stop really have? Haha, I mean besides giving them the 6 round burst.

But really, could it have really saved them money on production or what? That's just dumb. Good to know though.

RickyStrange · Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 6:00 am Post subject:

Damn, that Buffalo Classic is a beaty to look at.

S.T.A.R.S. Armourer · Armed and Hammered Joined: 20 Aug 2005 Posts: 7531

Brother, I have no idea what that was all about. Maybe they planned to fit the stop themselves and just never got around to it, I dunno. I had no idea that was the cause of the trouble when I was a kid. I know it now tho.

http://www.surplusrifle.com/fn49/boltdisassembly/index.asp
There's a Venezuelan getting torn down. Check out part number four. As the author says, the Egyptian bolt may or may not be machined to accept the stop, but none are ever present.

The thought of a primer strike causing the round to fire while an inch of it is still exposed and the bolt has not tipped to lock itself into battery yet sends a serious chill down my spine.

Maybe they really did just wanna save $10 on a $600 rifle, who knows?!

Sucks tho. I loved that rifle. If one ever comes along in 7mm Mauser or 30-06 I am snappin it up.

Ricky, here's a couple more Buff Classic pics for ya.

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exile27 · Agent Joined: 09 May 2008 Posts: 340 Location: Nor-Cal

Come on now, where is the Sgt. or GF? I know they've got some input for this thread.

RickyStrange · Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 3:40 am Post subject:

When you say breech loader do you mean the breech opens at the top or does the barrel break down for loading? It looks like the barrel breaks down but my ancient eyesight may be missing something in the photo.

Southern_guy · Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 10:37 pm Post subject:

I don't in general like the feel or workings of the Beretta 92. Long story short, mags are a bitch to load, has had some reliabilty issues, and is not better overall than the weapon it replaced.

S.T.A.R.S. Armourer · Armed and Hammered Joined: 20 Aug 2005 Posts: 7531

What reliability issues, exactly?
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Southern_guy · Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 1:09 pm Post subject:

Thing kept jamming on me. I cleaned it regularly, but the issues still occured. I found that the 1911 functioned and shot better groups.

exile27 · Agent Joined: 09 May 2008 Posts: 340 Location: Nor-Cal

Is the Baretta 92 another name for the M9?

If so, the M9 is not my favorite handgun by any means, but I would never say it's a bad gun. I've fired thousands of rounds through probably hundreds of M9's, and very rarely encountered any problems. And I never noticed that I was any less accurate than I was with any other handgun.

Like I said though, this is more a question of personal opinion.

S.T.A.R.S. Armourer · Armed and Hammered Joined: 20 Aug 2005 Posts: 7531

The problem with the military M9s mainly was they were running too hot ammo in some circumstances, and the magazines procured by the Govt sucked balls.

Other than that, you can`t really compare experience with 1 pistol to 1 other pistol.

It`s great that you got to try one of each, but it is also a very limited sample set.

Single stack magazines are always easier to load. Thats the way it goes. A spring and set of lips designed for feeding seven big fatass rounds in one column is a lot gentler than any magazine feeding twice as many smaller rounds into a double column.

The M92 design itself is actually quite robust and simple with a very long lineage. Ditto for the 1911.

As far as accuracy goes, there are so many variable. What brands and weights of ammo did you try in the Beretta? What in the 1911? What was the amount of wear on each? Did the 1911 have a match barrel?
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exile27 · Agent Joined: 09 May 2008 Posts: 340 Location: Nor-Cal

That's just like my experience with the Remmington 870's. That was the shotgun that we used for the first 2 years I was in the Marine Corps. For whatever reason, those weapons were so inaccurate it was almost a joke. That put a bad taste in my mouth for the 870, but there are so many people and agencies out there that swear by them, they can't be as bad as my experience was with them.

Southern_guy · Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 10:21 pm Post subject:

The 1911 was a basic new Taurus, firing a mix of Wolf, Remington, Winchester, and surplus mil. The 92 was an early 1980s model firing more of the same.

Kazuki Ferret · Investigator Joined: 02 Jan 2008 Posts: 161 Location: Ohio

I love my M92 and I've gotten that bitch to group out to six-five yards (albeit a 10 inch group, but it is a pistol) and I knocked a deer down with it once. But yeah, those mags can be real bitches to load up but so long as the spring is good and the feed ramp is good I don't really know what to tell ya 'bout why it would jam up on ya Southern. The only stuff that my M92 runs like shit on is Winchester, and I have no idea why; but mine does seem to run best on Wolf (my '92 is a cheap date I guess). As far as accuracy goes I don't know what to tell you except I think the 9mm shoots flatter then a .45 but I'm not extremely familar with .45's and I've never taken one out and tried to blast holes in anything with 'em more then 50 feet away, but the few I've gotten to play with grouped pretty good.
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